Instead Of Patch Perfect, We Like Scotts PatchMaster Tall Fescue Seed Mix
Four days ago, we seeded portions of our backyard with Scott's PatchMaster Seed Mix. This is the 2nd time we've used this brand. The first time, we had good results getting grass to grow in some bare spots, so we decided to use it again -- this time, to cover a much larger area.
So far, so good.
Here's why we chose Scott's Patch Master Tall Fescue Mix instead of that brand with the familiar name: Patch Perfect.
Last May was the first time we went looking for a grass seed mix to repair a few bare spots in our lawn.
Mostly, these were just small areas that got a lot of wear from our dogs. Plus, there was an areas along with the bottom of the steps into the backyard -- which happens to get a lot of foot traffic.
I was on a mission to try Patch Perfect -- that product I'd seen numerous times in late-night infomercials. It seemed like a good product. And they said it worked fast. Plus, it wasn't all that expensive. Only thing: I wouldn't have it right away. Instead it would take several days to ship it to me.
So, that's when we decided to see what the local Home Depot had in terms of lawn repair seed mixes.
Seed Mixes Available At Home Depot
I was hopeful that they would carry the Patch Perfect brand, but they didn't. So we bought what appeared to be a very similar product from Scott's. It's their PatchMaster Tall Fescue Mix.
It comes in a big 5lb seed bag, but it's extremely lightweight because it mostly contains "filler" -- or recycled paper products that surround the grass seeds themselves. (Actually, it's a combination of this recycled "mulch", fertilizer, and grass seed.) This cushiony mulch is what gives the grass seeds something to germinate in (rather than having to till your yard in order to loosen the dirt first).
The mulch combination kind of looks like insulation -- though it's not as coarse, and not at all harmful if you breathe it or get it on your skin. Each 5lb bag covers 100 square feet.
Our Tips For Using Scotts Patch Master:
# 1 To spread it, we do this: Grab a big handful, then use both hands in a "rubbing" motion to break up the seed/filler mix between your hands. This way, it drops in small chunks (rather than large clumps!) onto the ground.
# 2 I think the package says not to lay it thicker than 1/4-inch deep. Which means... it doesn't take much. Plus, the more you "pile it on" the more you're actually wasting. The biggest thing is to try to get even coverage over the spots where you want grass to grow. Any area of dirt that doesn't have PatchMaster on it won't be growing grass. (Though the surrounding grass will spread there as it grows, in no time.)
# 3 Water much, and water often. This cannot be overstated. You don't want water to puddle up (especially for that very first watering when the seeds are really loose and can get washed away), but you do want every bit of the seed/filler mix to be thoroughly wet. And, the more it stays wet, the faster those seeds will germinate. We've made the mistake of letting some areas dry out too much in beteween waterings (evidenced by the patch mix turning hard and crunchy). For best results, you don't want the patch mix to be hard to the touch. Instead, it should always be a little bit moist.
# 4 If you have dogs, it's safe to use around them, though I wouldn't allow them to eat any of it. Ours have pretty much left it alone. In fact, now that our backyard has so many areas with this grass seed patch mix, dogs have been tromping through those areas on several occasions. But the PatchMaster mix pretty much stays in place. Unless the dog decides to gets a hard running start directly from this area, then for the most part, walking or even running across it doesn't loosen up any of the mix. (High traffic areas are another story -- constant foot traffic of any kind will stunt the growth of new grass.)
In the end, I'm soooo glad we found Scott's PatchMaster and used that instead of Patch Perfect. Why? Because many have not had good luck with Patch Perfect. And we happen to know a handful of people who, like us, have had good results from using Scott's Patch Master.
Photos from the 1st time we used Scott's PatchMaster Seed Mix In small areas:
Summary: The grass grew fairly rapidly. But the Tall Fescue Mix is not a good choice for areas that don't get a lot of sun. Instead, we should have used Scott's PatchMaster Sun & Shade Mix.
Photos from our 2nd time using Scott's Patch Master Seed Mix on much larger areas:
Summary: It's still early, but the new grass appears to be coming up faster and stronger than before -- and it's only been 4 days! We attribute this to much more water, and much more sun than the previous time. We used 5 of the 5lb bags to do the areas you see here -- all around 3 sides of the patio and along 2 sides of the fence.
Photos at 6 days:
Summary: You can see some fairly strong blades of grass popping through the seed/paper mix. Looks like most of the areas should be coming up pretty evenly -- with continued watering.
Photos at 8 days:
Summary: More new grass growth is happening fast at this point. We've been pleasantly surprised by the Scott's PatchMaster grass seed mix.
Here are photos at 10 days:
Summary: You can see the grass is starting to pop through pretty thickly now, and the patches of the recycled paper are starting to diminish. In effect, the paper parts just sink to dirt level -- in between the blades of grass. That is, as long as you've watered the area enough and none of the paper parts have actually turned hard. If you have "hardened" sections of the seed & paper mix lying around (we had a few), then it will just take longer for the blades of grass to grow strong enough underneath those areas to grow through the hardened paper. Eventually, the paper parts will be pushed to the side by as the blades strengthen and it will actually disentigrate in time.
Now, here are photos at 12 days:
Summary: For the most part, this was a quick and easy project... growing grass over the course of 12 days. It's still very fine grass, and while we are walking on it daily, I wouldn't exactly want to run a heavy lawnmowever over it just yet. I want it to toughen up a bit first. A few more days of sunlight, air and rain should do it.
if my dog eats patchmaster, will he become sick? is it toxic?
well its day 8, and i started seeing seedlings for the first time this morning!! very exciting. i was getting nervous. cant wait to see what it will look like in a week! everyone is right, constant watering is essential!!
Use the K9 Yard Patch and you wont need topsoil.
I have doggie spots all over my yard. If I just sprinkled some top soil on those spots and then used the Patchmaster. Would that work?
I would invite any of you to try our Total Turf Patch instead of Patch Perfect or the Patchmaster product. Our Total Turf Patch covers 2x the area in a smaller bag because it contains more seed and less filler. Our patented product is grass seed and organic granular gypsum. Gypsum naturally repairs your soil, dog urine spots, etc and changes your soils PH, while the gypsum also retains moisture. Mention on our K9 Yard Patch website you read this on The Fun Times Guide and we will either give you 50% off the cost or ship you a free bag with the purchase. If you will do a trial and take pictures of before and after we will gladly donate the product free of charge and throw you on the website.
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Went to Home Depot today to purchase PatchMaster and was told by salesperson that the PatchMaster was for "Full Fiscure" grass that stays green all year around. It sounded like I had Bermuda grass and I could not use PatchMaster. Salesperson recommended putting dowh top soil, Bermuda grass seed and more topsoil, and water daily to get rid of bald spots in grass mainly due to my dog.
Is that correct I cannot use PatchMaster because is only for a certain kind of grass?
I just laid patchmaster, 2 bags, down this weekend on a 70 degree day and thoroughly watered sat and sun. it rained all night sun and is suppose to rain steadily for the next 3 days. will that be too much watering?? rain amounts should are suppose to be about 1/2 inch per day i think. guess i dont have to spend money watering now.
I also put grass seed around the edges of the patchmaster, as i ran out of patchmaster. has anyone else done this and what was the result? hopefully they will blend together nicely.
I emailed Scotts on the subject and here's what they had to say: It's the temperatures. In order for grass seed to germinate, constant moisture with temperatures in the 60 degree range or above are needed for at least 7 to 10 days. The seeds will germinate when the air temperatures maintain a range of 65 to 70 degrees consistently. At these air temperatures, the soil temperature will then be 55 to 65 degrees. Grass seed needs soil temperatures of at least 55 degrees to germinate. Cold nighttime temperatures could also keep the soil temperature too low for it to germinate. The cold won't hurt the seed. It just won't come up yet.
It has now been 16 days and I after watering every day, I've started to see positive results. I can see that new grass is starting to grow (about half an inch) and it gives me an incentive to keep watering until the grass is mature enough to mow. I'm guessing the chilly temperatures are the reason why it has taken so long for the grass to grow faster.
lawn dummy, did you find anything out? I'm in the same boat, seeded on April 5th and still no signs of life. I think it must be the cold temps (50s and 60s for highs).
I used PatchMaster 5 days ago as instructed. I even used Scotts Seeding Soil and have watered thoroughly once a day, it even has rained a couple of days also but still no sign of life at all. I live in NJ and the nights are still a little chilly (40F) but the days are about 55-60F... I wonder if it's the chilly weather. I'm a little disappointed but I'll keep watering and hope for the best... I'll post again in a few days.
20lbs 25 bucks at Home Depot and it works extremly well. We have terrible drainage and tons of roots and the patch master still grows.
Tip - I try and pick a day where the forecast is for a good 1/4 inch of rain. I actually have patched and sprinkled the Master during the beginning of a rainstorm. The rain helps place the seed mixture into the dirt and...one less day of wasting water.
My yard is mostly red clay Does the Scotts Patch Master work on red clay?
My grass is sod, laid down about 5 months. It is waranteed for 1 year. I have some bare spots in the last couple months, and dog urine stains in a couple spots. Will this product help on sod?
No, you don't have to add anything to the top of the PatchMaster. Just remember to water liberally.
Do you have to add some new topsoil on top of the mix once you have it in place?
With 2 bags of Patch Master and over a month ago... you should have more than just a few skinny sprouts at this point.
You should have a nice short layer of light green colored (very thin) blades of grass popping up rather evenly across the entire area where you placed it. But you should have seen that at about 2 weeks. Then it thickens up from there. Takes about 2 full months to be "normal" looking -- at least in our case.
Perhaps the time of year makes a big difference as to how rapidly the grass grows and how thickly it comes up. Though both times we did it seemed to make no difference.
I bought 2 bags of Patch master and put it down a month ago. Watering every 2-3 days. I have a few skinny sprouts of grass coming up through that grey matter that it was in . Is that it?
What do you suggest for bare spots undoer oak trees? Will this type of grass grow under the oak trees?
I live in Laredo, Tx where it gets very hot in the summers.
Jillian - yes, that's what we did. We added more PatchMaster to some of the bare spots that didn't seem to "take" as well as the rest of the lawn did.
One tip: It's better if you first add some fresh dirt to those bare spots in order for the new seed (PatchMaster) to adhere to. We didn't do that once, and those spots didn't grow well at all. PatchMaster really needs a good layer of dirt in order to grow into the ground properly.
And keep up the watering! That's VERY important.
Good luck!
I have used this same patchmaster to fill in a few bare spots in my lawn. It has been about two weeks and I notice some grass is coming through very nice and other spots have small pieces coming through and some spots have none! Do you think I need to add more grass seeds? I watered twice a day.
Shirin -
No, I don't think so. I mean, we didn't.
The first time we used PatchMaster, we simply sprinkled it atop the bare spots in our yard. We didn't till up the dirt (like they suggest) or remove any of the dead grass.
I guess the PatchMaster might work better/faster if you did those things, but MORE important I think is the amount of watering you do.
The second time we used PatchMaster on a very large portion of our backyard... yes, we had loosened up the top layer of the dirt and removed some of the dead grass. Actually the guys who put in our patio did this for us. You see, the reason we had to plant grass was because they had placed all of the excess dirt (from digging out our new patio) along the fence line. The dirt was about 2 inches thick -- but it was not ideal because it was mostly large clumps, rather than freshly tilled loose dirt.
The PatchMaster appeared to grow equally well both times.
Do you have to really get all the dead grass out up to the soil and then spread the patchmaster?
Good question!
The paper just goes away.
I'll post pictures later today to show you how we've got a full green lawn today -- and we never removed one piece of the "paper".
What happens to the paper? I just used Patchmaster to fill in some bare spots and the grass is starting to come up, but what do I do about the shreded paper that is left behind>